Norway: new Minister of Environment wished “the UN fired precision guided missiles at selected Israeli targets”

Ingrid Fiskaa, Norwegian politician

Ingrid Fiskaa, new Norwegian Minister of the Environment and Development. Image via Wikipedia

Dagbladet reports that “Socialist Left radical Ingrid Fiskaa” has become deputy to Minister of the Environment and Development Erik Solheim (Socialist Left). Going back to the Saturday of April 19th 2008, we find Ms.Fiskaa admitting the following in communist daily Klassekampen (Class struggle):

“In certain dark moments I might wish that the UN fired some precision guided missiles at selected Israeli targets, but that is hardly going to happen and it would not solve any problems either.”

Note that only Israel is capable of evoking such powerful emotions in Norwegians. Russia killed up to 100 000 people in the first Chechnyan war, and some estimates say up to five  million have been killed in Congo over the last ten years. Yet our politicians do not express desires of bombing these countries.

Norway has a very special relationship with Israel and it is right of Mr.Gerstenfeld of the JCPA to alert attention to this fact.

via Los Socialistas de la Nación Noruega | PATRIA JUDIA.

More similar statements from other Norwegian high officials here.

 

  • The Sad Song Of Norway: Its Antisemitic Refrain (cifwatch.com)
  • More than half Norwegians want to end Muslim immigration (faithfreedom.org) “Of the respondents 53.7 per cent said that the statement “We should not let more immigrants in Norway “fits very or fairly well with their own opinion. In 2005, when the survey was conducted for the first time, 45.8 percent of respondents said the same thing. While 48.7 per cent believe that the integration is fairly or very poor, there is an increase of 12 percent since 2005… the survey shows that opposition to the use of hijab among women in police uniform is massive in Norway. Over 80 percent of respondents said no to this, and 3.3 percent are “very negative” to the hijab on the police“. I guess they don’t like more immigrants, whether Muslim or not..
  • Norwegian Diplomat Trille Lilleng equates Israeli Cast Lead operation with Shoah (plancksconstant.org) “Trine Lilleng, a Norwegian diplomat based in Saudi Arabia who sent out e-mails from her Foreign Ministry e-mail account equating Israel’s offensive against Hamas in Gaza with the systematic mass murder of six million Jews by the Nazis. Attached to her email were the images in the video above. This Norwegian idiot asked her recipients to forward the message to others. There were only 1,800 or so Jews in Norway prior to the Nazi invasion of that country. 900 (50% of them) died in the Final Solution.
  • Israel: Norwegian Ambassador justifies “Palestinian terrorism” (I) (teaandpolitics.wordpress.com
  • Israel: Norwegian Ambassador justifies “Palestinian terrorism” (II) (teaandpolitics.wordpress.com).

Norway: the “Christian terrorist” nonsense (II)

More on Breivik’s ideas on Christianism (1, 2, 3):

Anders Breivik, leaving the courts

Anders Breivik, leaving the courts

Breivik’s worldview, if we can call it that, is not easily characterized. Some have branded him a “Christian terrorist.” He does write that he hopes the “Church gains more or less [a] monopoly on religion in Europe,” but also that “it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings.” In keeping with this latter view, he lauds the work of Princeton University molecular biologist Lee M. Silver, who is an advocate of stem cell research and human cloning. So Breivik can’t easily be described as a religious fundamentalist.

Breivik also wants a big cut in aid to developing countries in the hopes that this will reduce world population by 4.5 billion — an exercise in population control I don’t think the pope, much less Scandinavia’s Lutheran Church, would favor. Without pause, he voices admiration for the United States’ Tea Party, while calling for more regulation of capitalism and a “Scandinavian light model” of redistribution, including “giving women more incentives to have children in the form of various welfare incentives.”

One could call him a fascist, and he does subscribe to Arian racial theory. But Breivik also makes fulsome denunciations of Hitler and belittles today’s neo-Nazis as fools. He is certainly hostile to Islam and quotes many right-wing authors and bloggers who obsess about the coming of “Eurabia.” But his rants against feminism, Marxism, and Western sexual mores are little different from those made by Osama bin Laden. He doesn’t call for Western women to be put behind the veil. But he estimates that 50 percent have slept with more than 20 men and are thus “sluts,” thinks society should “discourage” all women from having full-time careers, and blames “current destructive matriarchal policies” for most of what he sees as wrong with Europe.

via A Murderer\’s Manifesto and Me – By Phillip Longman | Foreign Policy.

As I said: this guy is NO Christian… and has an important problem of ideological coherence.

  • Norway attacks: Was Breivik a Christian terrorist? – Christian Science Monitor (news.google.com) To be sure, among those who identify Christianity with the teachings, behavior, codes, and life of the early church, sometimes called “primitive Christianity,” the acts of Breivik have less than nothing to do with the Acts of the Gospels. His logic is seen as a deep distortion, of, say, the spirit of the Beatitudes: “Blessed are the meek … blessed are the peacemakers … blessed are the poor in spirit…”… “Are we capable of seeing the distinction between a dude acting alone with, at this point, no following and a large global movement with many leaders and supporters?” Mollie asks finally. ”Supporters of Islamic extremism are a minority in most Muslim countries. But there’s a dramatic difference between the level of support a killer such as Osama bin Laden had and the level of support a killer such as Breivik has. Media coverage should not ignore that distinction when pushing the moral equivalency meme.”
  • Why Islamist terror dwarfs Breivik’s brand: Almost nobody supports “Christianist” violence (nydailynews.com):Breivik’s ideology does not represent the same sort of threat that Islamism does because it is not shared by nearly as many people, governments or institutions. Aside from a handful of anonymous Internet postings, there have been no avowals of support for Breivik’s mass murder. No influential Christian preachers have praised what he did. There were no celebrations in the streets, nor has any government applauded his attempt to “save” Europe from “Islamization.” The only organizational backing for Breivik’s massacre appears to have come from a 12th century crusader outfit called the “Knights Templar,” which, as far as we know, exists nowhere but in his own deranged head.

    Contrast that condemnatory response with Saddam Hussein‘s remarks after 9/11 – an attack carried out by a transnational terrorist organization sheltered by the then-government of a sovereign state. Saddam said that “the American cowboys are reaping the fruit of their crimes against humanity.” Crowds of Palestinians, meanwhile, took to the streets and handed out candy.

    While these reactions were certainly the exception among most Muslims, smaller-scale terrorist attacks committed against coalition soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, and on civilians in places ranging from London to Madrid to PeshawarPakistan, are regularly legitimized by Islamic clerics who claim huge followings.

Israel: Norwegian ambassador justifies “Palestinian” terrorism (II)

Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard Law School.

Alan Dershowitz, Harvard Law Professor. Image via Wikipedia

This is an excerpt from a very interesting article written by Alan Dershowitz for Hudson review, about the views expressed by Norwegian ambassador to Israel, Svein Sevje

First of all, terrorism against Israel began well before there was any “occupation”. The first major terrorist attack against Jews who had long lived in Jerusalem and Hebron began in 1929, when the leader of the Palestinian people, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, ordered a religiously-motivated terrorist attack that killed hundreds of religious Jews-many old, some quite young. Terrorism against Jews continued through the 1930s. Once Israel was established as a state, but well before it captured the West Bank, terrorism became the primary means of attacking Israel across the Jordanian, Egyptian and Lebanese borders. If the occupation is the cause of the terror against Israel, what was the cause of all the terror that preceded any occupation? Continue reading

Norway: Breivik wanted his own “Christian Church”

Saint Peter's Basilica, Vatican City, Rome

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The others are all corrupt. And Pope Benedict is a “cowardly, incompetent and corrupt Pope“. He is a “cultural Christian“, something that would be very interesting to the political elites: the religion only as a “culture”, but meaning no more to the human being.

In order to stop Islam, Breivik argues, you need to put together a broad coalition. Can the Christian churches become part of it? Breivik explains that he was not taken to baptism by his quite agnostic and upscale parents, but at age 15 elected to be baptized and confirmed in the Norwegian Lutheran Church. He later became persuaded, however, that Protestant churches have sold out to a leftist and pro-immigration agenda, and that they should merge into the Catholic Church, which has at least maintained a modicum of European tradition. However, by continuing the dialogue with Islam, “Pope Benedict has abandoned Christianity and all Christian Europeans and is to be considered a cowardly, incompetent, corrupt and illegitimate Pope”.

It will be, accordingly, necessary to get rid both of the Protestant and Catholic leaderships and to call a “Great Christian Congress” in order to establish a new European Church. This Church will be granted a religious monopoly in the new Europe but in turn, Breivik writes, “the Church and church leaders will not be allowed to influence non-cultural political matters in any way. This includes science, research and development and all non-cultural areas which will benefit Europe in the future. This will also include all areas relating to procreation/birth/fertility policies and related issues of scientific importance”. In short, Breivik’s is a cultural Christianity, an instrumentum regni for a new political elite which would confine the Church to purely spiritual and cultural matters.

via The Identity Ideology of Anders Breivik. Not a Christian Fundamentalist, by Massimo Introvigne.

Add to this that he doesn’t know anything about what it means to be a Christian, that he doesn’t really believe in anything and that he isn’t quoting the Scriptures or stating that he wanted to save “Christian souls” (wouldn’t be the adequate means, at all), and I can safely ask: why this guy is named a Christian?

Yeah, qui prodest?

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Norway: Any attempt to socialize people is successful at ending all violence instincts

The confusion of the Norwegians to the “drama in paradise” would be lower if they understood that the turnout is not an insurance against barbarism but may become one of its manifestations and that even the most conformist system of “socialization” can sublimate all instincts of violence. Set aside the sense of transcendence, there are few avenues of discontent. One is the contemplative path, pursued by Thomas Mann and focused on complacency and languid aesthetic identity for the decline. Another is the way of action fanatic, theorized by Georges Sorel and centered on the affirmation of the regenerative power of violence. In fact, those who seek to use the victims of Oslo as “martyrs” of multiculturalism, should note that Sorel comfortable drive with the Marxist discourse, anarchist and fascist: the fanaticism of violence, the ideology is merely circumstantial. That is why strengthening the system pressure by “educational socialization” announced by the Norwegian Prime Minister and supported by good conscience is a call for repetition of similar events. A cynic would say that this is its real purpose: criminals as Mr. Breivik serve to the useful purpose of dissipating the entropy accumulated by the “closed-system” of conformity and turn it into horror at the consequences of fanatical violence. Both ideas provide the ideal excuse for the continued advancement of the “vision” policy.

From Portuguese blog O Cachimbo de Magritte.

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Israel: Norwegian ambassador justifies “Palestinian” terrorism

So, let me see: it’s OK for Palestinians to use violence, but not for Breivik. It’s OK to kill Israelis, but it isn’t to kill Norwegian people. Well, for me killers are always killers, and both Palestinian terrorists and Breivik are murderers. If you support violence of one side, the other will sooner or later begin using and defending it too.

Palestinians, [Svein Sevje] the ambassador told Maariv, “are doing this because of a defined goal that is related to the Israeli occupation. There are elements of revenge against Israel and hatred of Israel. To this you can add the religious element to their actions.”

“In the case of the terror attack in Norway, the murderer had an ideology that says that Norway, particularly the Labor Party, is forgoing Norwegian culture,” Sevje said, referring to suspect Anders Breivik, a Christian nativist who is opently anti-Islam and anti-immigration.

via Israel Matzav: Norwegian ambassador to Israel justifies \’Palestinian\’ terrorism.

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Norway: fighting Jihadists after Oslo

Norway Shooting Suspect Anders Behring Breivik

Image by ssoosay via Flickr

I don’t normally reproduce entire articles, but this is a great one, as it sums up my position on this issue too:

Friday’s horrifying and depraved murders do not change a single thing about the jihadist threat we face, but they could make our fight against jihad more difficult by granting the other side a series of potent rhetorical weapons — including patently false claims of moral equivalency and incitement. How do we respond? With the truth:

First, we have to acknowledge the horror. One of the troublesome habits of Islam’s more radical defenders is their nearly inexhaustible capacity to excuse, minimize, and rationalize jihadist violence. Conservatives (at least the ones I’ve read) have not rationalized Friday’s evil acts, and America must do all that it can to help Norway track and destroy any additional affiliated terror cells. It’s a shame that Norway did away with the death penalty, because justice demands that Anders Breivik pay the ultimate price for his depravity.

Second, we must continue to expose the extent and reality of the “Grand Jihad.” Anders Breivik’s crime does not change a single fact on the ground in America, Europe, the Middle East, or Southwest Asia. It is still true that Europe has a large and growing problem with an unassimilated Muslim minority; it is still true that jihadists command tens of thousands of fighters and control all or part of Iran, Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Gaza, Lebanon, Sudan, and Pakistan; it is still true that a fundamentally anti-Semitic worldview grips much of the Muslim world; and it is still true that the Muslim Brotherhood is poised to take advantage of the Arab Spring in Egypt.

Third, we must hold the line on tactics. It is simply not incitement to advocate all the actions that Andrew McCarthey, Mark Steyn, and others have advocated in the decade since 9/11 (indeed, even longer). Calling for creative use of law enforcement, skillful and firm use of diplomacy, increased public awareness, and decisive application of military force consistent with the laws of war is not incitement. Anyone who equates, say, support for drone strikes, Gitmo military commissions, or hearings into the prevalence of jihadism with a call for vigilante violence is simply not to be taken seriously.

An utterly depraved, nominally Christian, bizarre right-wing extremist committed a horrific crime. Our hearts go out to the victims. Yet our commitment to fighting jihadists is undiminished — lest other attacks from other terrorists wreak similar havoc on the lives of the innocent.